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I would like to create 4 sessions about the elements of the earth : "EARTH" "FIRE" "WATER" "AIR" in the tradition of the American Indian.
Now my Question what Frequenzies would you suggest for each of these elements. I guess earth would be 7.83Hz ?
Cheers Esthy
I would tend to approach it artistically. That is let each of 4 common brainwave range represent one of the elements. Then also the predominant colors of the sessions.
So:
Blues / Water / Delta (little green too)
Greens / Earth / Theta (yellows and orange/brown too)
Yellow / Air / Alpha (blues too)
Reds / Fire / Beta (oranges, whites and yellows too)
That is one interpretation.. and your 7.83hz fits in this scheme.
The sounds that you choose are key to the effect as well.
Hope this helps,
Scott
I've used the same color/element correspondences as Scott, however I have usually use them with delta attributed to earth and theta attributed to water. Rationale is that "earth drumming" in the shamanic practice I have been taught is the lowest, slowest, while water is associated with emotional and astral states more appropriate to theta rates.
A further complication in such attribution is the energy spectrum of light - red is the lowest energy through to blue being the highest. Although counter-intuitive, blue is more likely to cause physiological responses appropriate to fire, taking fire to be the highest energy, with air, water and earth following. Direct significance of this is that blue dawn light triggers wake-up melatonin/serotonin conversion while dusk reds trigger the reverse.
As Scott said, the sound you use will probably convey more than the attributed beat/color, the significance of which the listener may not fully appreciate.
Cheers,
Craig
I think that Craig's argument is valid and would be workable as well.
I tend to associate water with subconscious/unconscious (theta or delta) as a general rule while earth as more atmospheric/transitional/balancing between... but this is non-traditional in certain systems.
Also from a practical matter while being aware of the activation that blue light causes, I tend to suspect that this is not as prevalent in closed eye use as a matter of the purely perceived amount of brightness. I know of no color studies that back me up on this though as they are dealing with either lab animals that live under this light for long periods of time or studies of night time exposure to light emitting devices like computer monitors. I could stand to be corrected possibly.
Also, you could add a fifth element for Aether if you want gamma sessions, which would be white/pinkish white (reducing green and blue a bit)
Hi Craig and Scott
Thank you very much for your suggestions.Well actually I had the music plus the colors already when I asced the question it was only the frequencies which I was unshure.
The music I choose comes from American Indian tradition another way to approach would probably have been the asian Chakra System well maybe my next Project.
Now you confused me a little with the colors too........Well in the end this is not an exact sience and I will do it as I feel it right.Maybe someone else would do it different but
thats the spicy part of life to have all the choices isn't it........
Wish you a colorful soundful beautiful day
Esthy
Ps.I wonder why nobody else is sharing any sessions it's so much fun to create them..like painting a picture but more multidimensional.....:banana::drunken_smilie:
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I think Craig will back me up and I know our internal team does (as well as experts in other companies who I won't mention by name) but there are no 'magic frequencies' that can reliably be proven to have the same effect across all people. People have created somewhat of a numerology surrounding certain frequencies. It is a form of mysticism more than science. As stated elsewhere, I personally have no problem with that and somewhat kind of like it that way.... to a point. However, just because there is widespread talk of certain frequencies, does not make that proven to any scientific rigor.
Even the Schumann frequencies vary widely within a range, while also having octaves. I tend to work with the principles of harmony and music which at least have a strong foundation in vibratory physics.
So, that is to say... there is no definitive answer. It is a good baseline to consider the 'ranges' more so than any specific frequency.
Hope this helps and I have not slain anyone's sacred cows.
Scott
I think many people will start contributing sessions as they go through the factory content which is quite extensive. The Kasina has only be widely available for less than 2 months.Quote:
Ps.I wonder why nobody else is sharing any sessions it's so much fun to create them..like painting a picture but more multidimensional.....
I am so happy that you have jumped right in and created such nice stuff. And you are right it is a new form of multi-sensory art.
One thing I do like to do with number mysticism that has some basis in a wide range of physical systems including potentially brain anatomy organization (certainly the auditory system) is to use Golden Ratios..
So say you used 7.83 as your basic unit.. There is kind of 'group mind' power that has been built up around this frequency... that would be your Theta/Alpha baseline.. then you would go to a Alpha/Beta borderline by 7.83 x 1.618 (golden ratio - phi) = 12.66. You could repeat that for your upper frequencies to 20.49 and then 33.16..
For your lower frequencies multiply by the inverse of 1.618 which is a unique property of the Golden Ratio and equal to 0.618,
So 7.83 x 0.618 = 4.83 which is still in the Theta range.... by the way the Shamanic frequency in widespread mythology is 4.5 so you could consider that too.
Your delta would be 4.83 x 0.618 = 2.99....
Anyway that is quasi-mystical way of doing it..
Scott
Hi Scott
I love this Idea with the golden ratio I often use this in my paintings.
I will do a second version of my 4 sessions with these frequencies.
Just that I don't mix anything which frequencies for which elements you would choose?
Have to do some painting " work" now but will be back later
Esthy
Is this correct.
Water 2.99Hz
Earth 4.83Hz
Air 7.83Hz
Fire 12.66
Yes, that would work. Now keep in mind that your highest frequencies of fire are only borderline beta.. so I would mix in 20.49 or even 7.83 x 2 = 15.66 occasionally for the 'fire' flickering.
Also the Golden Mean is a ratio so really it requires 3 numbers to create it.. the golden ratio between 1:2 is 1.618... So ramp down from 7.83 which is our base for the lower sessions and ramp up to 15.66 at the end.
Higher sessions ramp down from 15.66 and back up to that at the end.
Anyway, that is what I would do.
Scott
Thanks Scott
I'm looking foreward to create these sessions I wonder how they will feel like.
Esthy
Hi Thalassa,
I agree with Scott that many users are probably busy experimenting with the factory sessions, so they haven't felt the urge to make their own yet.
I hope to upload a session soon that is a chakra meditation. I just haven't test driven the final product, but will tonight. I've been reluctant as I am not that experienced in custom audio. The audio snob in me wants more than a ThoughtSounds background to my sessions, and since I'm not a musician, it might be a while before I can create some good accompanying audio. But this first session I'll upload this week if it tests out reasonable.
You may have already set the bar too high for the rest of us!
The important thing is that we learn together. The only way to get better is to practice and try things and get feedback. Esthy is getting better and better with each session, and so will everyone else. We are all a friendly group here...
Once I finish a number of programming tasks I have to do, I will start putting more out too.
Join in the fun!
Scott
Thats a good question but I can tell you why I haven't made any. There are a couple reasons. The KBS editor is very cool, but doesn't seem to include the ability to embed these signals into an audio MP3 and link lights with the mp3 sound. So I guess (and I'm new to all this, so let me know where I'm wrong) you have to download something like MuLab and therein lies the complexity. I would like to learn a digital audio workstation, but I can't justify spending the time while I need to be studying for unrelated professional certifications (I assume it's a little daunting for a lot of people). Also, the included sessions are great and to create something to rival them, would take a long time. Where does one find suitable free sounds and music (so you don't get sued if you share)? Finally, there is always procrastination... maybe I will do this next week/month.Quote:
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So if there are others who are creating quality sessions, yes please do share. And thank you to those that have!
Hi Jerry,
The KBS Editor and the KBS session format in general are really meant to 'ease' people into the process of creating sessions. It is a very simple format for traditional mind machine entrainment protocol sessions. The good thing about it is that it strips away all the complexity and lets you 'study' what frequencies are used within certain session types like Meditation, Energy as examples. It lets you generate a variety of quick sessions that you can copy quickly and playback to gauge the results for your particular use and neural makeup. Also, when used along with protocols, say you want to practice moving into deeper states of meditation by increasing cumulative Theta brainwaves, then the KBS format is useful because you can generate a wide variety of sessions constrained to these ranges. It helps you to find what works best for you and also avoid habituation which is a very real issue with using the same sessions, frequencies and sounds over and over again. Brains enjoy novelty and new information.
For those who want to create more advanced sessions, once you have learned the frequencies that work for you from the KBS editor, you now have a strong knowledge base to transfer this information over to an environment like NeuroProgrammer (which will soon support SpectraStrobe and already is great at AudioStrobe) or Mind Workstation.
An additional use for the KBS session format is to try out the ColorPresets quickly on known frequencies which also helps teach you what you like and what is interesting in the Kasina output.
The KBS editor will become more advanced over time but it is never intended to replace something like NP3 or MWS. The same with the KBS format itself. We will evolve its capabilities. I think you would find that NeuroProgrammer meets your needs as the best compromise between value, simplicity and power.
Just one more suggestion in case you haven't discovered it yet. You can play music along with KBS sessions through the AUX input on the Kasina. So your smartphone or mp3 player or whatever plugged into the jack will play while in KBS mode. There are plans in place to play audio from the SD card along with KBS and it is a high priority although when it is implemented can't be estimated at the moment.
Anyway, as with anything worth doing there is some knowledge and experimentation required.
Hope this helps,
Scott
Thanks neuroasis,
I will spend some more time with the KBS editor in the near future, because I really do need to find out what frequencies work best for me. There are three areas in which I find fascinating; meditation, learning (still not convinced if AVS works in this area, but hopeful), and trance (would like to create some affirmation sound files or something of that nature to go along with trace sessions). I really have seen some good results with Kasina's sessions in meditation, rest, and the wow factor of some mind art and trance sessions. Since the generic frequencies for certain states is readily available online, it is as you say, I just need to get in there and experiment. Thanks for the info!